Where do BC candidates stand on workers' rights?
SEE SURVEY RESULTS BELOW
In 2018, John Horgan and the NDP brought in a policy that forced workers to be members of a select group of unions – even if they were already a member of a union not in that group – in order to work on certain public infrastructure projects, such as the Pattullo Bridge, the Broadway Subway, or the Highway #1 expansion projects.
Some of these workers went to Victoria to express their concerns to Premier Horgan, but they were not listened to.
So these workers are writing to all candidates of all parties in this election to ask them if they will defend the rights of workers to be able to work on public infrastructure projects AND maintain their existing employment relationship with their employer (whether union or not).
Here are the results, candidate by candidate, for each riding in the province, so far:
Where candidates stand
We sent the following question to candidates:
Do you support workers' rights and the ability of all British Columbians to work on publicly funded infrastructure projects (like road, bridges, hospitals and schools) without having to change our existing union affiliation or employment situation?
YOUR CANDIDATE DIDN'T RESPOND? Help us get them to take a stand.
WRITE YOUR CANDIDATE| Riding | Party | Name | Response/Party Position |
|---|---|---|---|
| Abbotsford South | Green | Aird Flavelle | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Abbotsford South | Liberal | Coun. Bruce Banman | YES - I DO |
| Abbotsford South | NDP | Inder Johal | NO - I DON'T |
| Abbotsford-Mission | Green | Stephen Fowler | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Abbotsford-Mission | Liberal | Simon Gibson MLA | YES - I DO |
| Abbotsford-Mission | NDP | Mayor Pam Alexis | NO - I DON'T |
| Abbotsford-West | Green | Kevin Eastwood | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Abbotsford-West | Liberal | Michael de Jong MLA | YES - I DO |
| Abbotsford-West | NDP | Preet Rai | NO - I DON'T |
| Boundary-Similkameen | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Boundary-Similkameen | Liberal | Counc. Petra Veintimilla | YES - I DO |
| Boundary-Similkameen | NDP | Roly Russell | NO - I DON'T |
| Burnaby North | Green | Norine Shim | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Burnaby North | Liberal | Dr. Raymond Dong | YES - I DO |
| Burnaby North | NDP | Janet Routledge MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Burnaby-Deer Lake | Green | Mehreen Chaudry | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Burnaby-Deer Lake | Liberal | Glynnis Chan | YES - I DO |
| Burnaby-Deer Lake | NDP | Anne Kang MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Burnaby-Edmonds | Green | Iqbal Parekh | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Burnaby-Edmonds | Liberal | Tripat Atwal | YES - I DO |
| Burnaby-Edmonds | NDP | Raj Chouhan, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Burnaby-Lougheed | Green | Andrew Williamson | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Burnaby-Lougheed | Liberal | Tariq Malik | YES - I DO |
| Burnaby-Lougheed | NDP | Katrina Chen MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Cariboo North | Green | Douglas Gook | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Cariboo North | Liberal | Coralee Oaks MLA | YES - I DO |
| Cariboo North | NDP | Scott Elliot | NO - I DON'T |
| Cariboo-Chilcotin | Green | David Laing | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Cariboo-Chilcotin | Liberal | Lorne Doerkson | YES - I DO |
| Cariboo-Chilcotin | NDP | Scott Andrews | NO - I DON'T |
| Chilliwack | Green | Tim Cooper | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Chilliwack | Liberal | John Martin MLA | YES - I DO |
| Chilliwack | NDP | Dan Coulter | NO - I DON'T |
| Chilliwack-Kent | Green | Jeff Hammersmark | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Chilliwack-Kent | Liberal | Laurie Throness MLA | YES - I DO |
| Chilliwack-Kent | NDP | Kelli Paddon | NO - I DON'T |
| Columbia River-Revelstoke | Green | Samson Boyer | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Columbia River-Revelstoke | Liberal | Doug Clovechok MLA | YES - I DO |
| Columbia River-Revelstoke | NDP | Nicole Cherlet | NO - I DON'T |
| Coquitlam-Burke Mountain | Green | Adam Bremner-Akins | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Coquitlam-Burke Mountain | Liberal | Joan Isaacs MLA | YES - I DO |
| Coquitlam-Burke Mountain | NDP | Fin Donnelly, Former MP | NO - I DON'T |
| Coquitlam-Maillardville | Green | Nicola Spurling | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Coquitlam-Maillardville | Liberal | Will Davis | YES - I DO |
| Coquitlam-Maillardville | NDP | Selina Robinson, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Courtenay-Comox | Green | Gillian Anderson | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Courtenay-Comox | Liberal | Brennan Day | YES - I DO |
| Courtenay-Comox | NDP | Ronna-Rae Leonard MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Cowichan Valley | Green | Sonia Furstenau MLA | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Cowichan Valley | Liberal | Tanya Kaul | YES - I DO |
| Cowichan Valley | NDP | Counc. Rob Douglas | NO - I DON'T |
| Delta North | Green | Neema Manral | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Delta North | Liberal | Jet Sunner | YES - I DO |
| Delta North | NDP | Ravi Kahlon MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Delta South | Green | Peter Van Der Velden | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Delta South | Liberal | Ian Paton MLA | YES - I DO |
| Delta South | NDP | Bruce Reid | NO - I DON'T |
| Esquimalt-Metchosin | Green | Andy Mackinnon | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Esquimalt-Metchosin | Liberal | RJ Senko | YES - I DO |
| Esquimalt-Metchosin | NDP | Mitzi Dean MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Fraser-Nicola | Green | Jonah Timm | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Fraser-Nicola | Liberal | Jackie Tegart MLA | YES - I DO |
| Fraser-Nicola | NDP | Former Nicola Band Chief Aaron Sumexheltza | NO - I DON'T |
| Kamloops-North Thompson | Green | Thomas Martin | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Kamloops-North Thompson | Liberal | Peter Milobar MLA | YES - I DO |
| Kamloops-North Thompson | NDP | Counc. Sadie Hunter | NO - I DON'T |
| Kamloops-South Thompson | Green | Dan Hines | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Kamloops-South Thompson | Liberal | Todd Stone MLA | YES - I DO |
| Kamloops-South Thompson | NDP | Anna Thomas | NO - I DON'T |
| Kelowna West | Green | Peter A. Trutch | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Kelowna West | Liberal | Ben Stewart MLA | YES - I DO |
| Kelowna West | NDP | Spring Hawes | NO - I DON'T |
| Kelowna-Lake Country | Green | John Jaanmat | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Kelowna-Lake Country | Liberal | Norm Letnick MLA | YES - I DO |
| Kelowna-Lake Country | NDP | Justin Kulik | NO - I DON'T |
| Kelowna-Mission | Green | Amanda Poon | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Kelowna-Mission | Liberal | Renee Merrifield | YES - I DO |
| Kelowna-Mission | NDP | Krystal Smith | NO - I DON'T |
| Kootenay East | Green | Kerri Wall | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Kootenay East | Liberal | Tom Shypitka MLA | YES - I DO |
| Kootenay East | NDP | Wayne Stetski, former MP | NO - I DON'T |
| Kootenay West | Green | Andrew Duncan | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Kootenay West | Liberal | Corbin Kelly | YES - I DO |
| Kootenay West | NDP | Katrine Conroy, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Langford-Juan de Fuca | Green | Gord Baird | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Langford-Juan de Fuca | Liberal | Kelly Darwin | YES - I DO |
| Langford-Juan de Fuca | NDP | John Horgan, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Langley | Green | Bill Masse | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Langley | Liberal | Mary Polak | YES - I DO |
| Langley | NDP | Andrew Mercier | NO - I DON'T |
| Langley East | Green | Cheryl Wiens | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Langley East | Liberal | Councillor Margaret Kunst | YES - I DO |
| Langley East | NDP | Megan Dykeman | NO - I DON'T |
| Maple Ridge-Mission | Green | Matt Trenholm | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Maple Ridge-Mission | Liberal | Councillor Chelsa Meadus | YES - I DO |
| Maple Ridge-Mission | NDP | Bob D'Eith MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Maple Ridge-Pitt Meadows | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Maple Ridge-Pitt Meadows | Liberal | Cheryl Ashlie | YES - I DO |
| Maple Ridge-Pitt Meadows | NDP | Lisa Beare MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Mid Island-Pacific Rim | Green | Evan Jolicoeur | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Mid Island-Pacific Rim | Liberal | Helen Poon | YES - I DO |
| Mid Island-Pacific Rim | NDP | Mayor Josie Osborne | NO - I DON'T |
| Nanaimo | Green | Lia Marie Constance Versaevel | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Nanaimo | Liberal | Kathleen Jones | YES - I DO |
| Nanaimo | NDP | Sheila Malcolmson, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Nanaimo-North Cowichan | Green | Chris Istace | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Nanaimo-North Cowichan | Liberal | Duck Paterson | YES - I DO |
| Nanaimo-North Cowichan | NDP | Doug Routley, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Nechako Lakes | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Nechako Lakes | Liberal | John Rustad MLA | YES - I DO |
| Nechako Lakes | NDP | Anne Marie Sam | NO - I DON'T |
| Nelson-Creston | Green | Nicole Charlwood | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Nelson-Creston | Liberal | Tanya Finley | YES - I DO |
| Nelson-Creston | NDP | Brittny Anderson | NO - I DON'T |
| New Westminster | Green | Cyrus Sy | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| New Westminster | Liberal | Lorraine Brett | YES - I DO |
| New Westminster | NDP | Jennifer Whiteside | NO - I DON'T |
| North Coast | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| North Coast | Liberal | Roy Jones | YES - I DO |
| North Coast | NDP | Jennifer Rice, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| North Island | Green | Alexandra Morton | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| North Island | Liberal | Norm Facey | YES - I DO |
| North Island | NDP | Michele Babchuk | NO - I DON'T |
| North Vancouver-Lonsdale | Green | Christopher Hakes | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| North Vancouver-Lonsdale | Liberal | Lyn Anglin | YES - I DO |
| North Vancouver-Lonsdale | NDP | Bowinn Ma MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| North Vancouver-Seymour | Green | Harrison Johnson | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| North Vancouver-Seymour | Liberal | Jane Thornthwaite MLA | YES - I DO |
| North Vancouver-Seymour | NDP | Susie Chant | NO - I DON'T |
| Oak Bay-Gordon Head | Green | Nicole Duncan | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Oak Bay-Gordon Head | Liberal | Roxanne Helm | YES - I DO |
| Oak Bay-Gordon Head | NDP | Murray Rankin | NO - I DON'T |
| Parksville-Qualicum | Green | Rob Lyon | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Parksville-Qualicum | Liberal | Michelle Stilwell MLA | YES - I DO |
| Parksville-Qualicum | NDP | Adam Walker | NO - I DON'T |
| Peace River North | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Peace River North | Liberal | Dan Davies MLA | YES - I DO |
| Peace River North | NDP | Danielle Monroe | NO - I DON'T |
| Peace River South | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Peace River South | Liberal | Mike Bernier MLA | YES - I DO |
| Peace River South | NDP | Cory Grizz Longley | NO - I DON'T |
| Penticton | Green | Ted Shumaker | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Penticton | Liberal | Dan Ashton MLA | YES - I DO |
| Penticton | NDP | Mayor Toni Boot | NO - I DON'T |
| Port Coquitlam | Green | Erik Minty | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Port Coquitlam | Liberal | Mehran Zargham | YES - I DO |
| Port Coquitlam | NDP | Mike Farnworth, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Port Moody-Coquitlam | Green | John Latimer | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Port Moody-Coquitlam | Liberal | James Robertson | YES - I DO |
| Port Moody-Coquitlam | NDP | Rick Glumac, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Powell River-Sunshine Coast | Green | Kim Darwin | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Powell River-Sunshine Coast | Liberal | Sandra Stoddart-Hansen | YES - I DO |
| Powell River-Sunshine Coast | NDP | Nicholas Simons, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Prince George-Mackenzie | Green | Catharine Kendall | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Prince George-Mackenzie | Liberal | Mike Morris MLA | YES - I DO |
| Prince George-Mackenzie | NDP | Joan Atkinson | NO - I DON'T |
| Prince George-Valemount | Green | Mackenzie Kerr | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Prince George-Valemount | Liberal | Shirley Bond MLA | YES - I DO |
| Prince George-Valemount | NDP | Laura Parent | NO - I DON'T |
| Richmond North Centre | Green | Vernon Wang | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Richmond North Centre | Liberal | Teresa Wat MLA | YES - I DO |
| Richmond North Centre | NDP | Jaeden Dela Torre | NO - I DON'T |
| Richmond South Centre | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Richmond South Centre | Liberal | Councillor Alexa Loo | YES - I DO |
| Richmond South Centre | NDP | Henry Yao | NO - I DON'T |
| Richmond-Queenborough | Green | Earl Einarson | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Richmond-Queenborough | Liberal | Jas Johal MLA | YES - I DO |
| Richmond-Queenborough | NDP | Aman Singh | NO - I DON'T |
| Richmond-Steveston | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Richmond-Steveston | Liberal | Matt Pitcairn | YES - I DO |
| Richmond-Steveston | NDP | Counc. Kelly Greene | NO - I DON'T |
| Saanich North and the Islands | Green | Adam Olsen MLA | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Saanich North and the Islands | Liberal | Stephen P. Roberts | YES - I DO |
| Saanich North and the Islands | NDP | Zeb King | NO - I DON'T |
| Saanich South | Green | Kate O.Connor | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Saanich South | Liberal | Rishi Sharma | YES - I DO |
| Saanich South | NDP | Lana Popham, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Shuswap | Green | Owen Madden | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Shuswap | Liberal | Greg Kyllo MLA | YES - I DO |
| Shuswap | NDP | Sylvia Lindgren | NO - I DON'T |
| Skeena | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Skeena | Liberal | Ellis Ross MLA | YES - I DO |
| Skeena | NDP | Nicole Halbauer | NO - I DON'T |
| Stikine | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Stikine | Liberal | Heriditary Chief Gordon Sebastian | YES - I DO |
| Stikine | NDP | Nathan Cullen, MP | NO - I DON'T |
| Surrey South | Green | Tim Ibbotson | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Surrey South | Liberal | Stephanie Cadieux MLA | YES - I DO |
| Surrey South | NDP | Pauline Greaves | NO - I DON'T |
| Surrey-Cloverdale | Green | Rebecca Smith | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Surrey-Cloverdale | Liberal | Marvin Hunt MLA | YES - I DO |
| Surrey-Cloverdale | NDP | Mike Starchuk | NO - I DON'T |
| Surrey-Fleetwood | Green | Gene McGee | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Surrey-Fleetwood | Liberal | Gary Thind | YES - I DO |
| Surrey-Fleetwood | NDP | Jagrup Brar MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Surrey-Green Timbers | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Surrey-Green Timbers | Liberal | Dilraj Atwal | YES - I DO |
| Surrey-Green Timbers | NDP | Rachna Singh MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Surrey-Guildford | Green | Jodi Murphy | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Surrey-Guildford | Liberal | David Hans | YES - I DO |
| Surrey-Guildford | NDP | Garry Begg MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Surrey-Newton | Green | Asad Syed | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Surrey-Newton | Liberal | Paul Boparai | YES - I DO |
| Surrey-Newton | NDP | Harry Bains, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Surrey-Panorama | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Surrey-Panorama | Liberal | Dr. Gulzar Cheema | YES - I DO |
| Surrey-Panorama | NDP | Jinny Sims MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Surrey-Whalley | Green | (no candidate) | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Surrey-Whalley | Liberal | Shaukat Khan | YES - I DO |
| Surrey-Whalley | NDP | Bruce Ralston, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Surrey-White Rock | Green | Beverly (Pixie) Hobby | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Surrey-White Rock | Liberal | Trevor Halford | YES - I DO |
| Surrey-White Rock | NDP | Bryn Smith | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-Fairview | Green | Ian Goldman | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-Fairview | Liberal | George Affleck | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-Fairview | NDP | George Heyman, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-False Creek | Green | Maayan Kreitzman | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-False Creek | Liberal | Sam Sullivan MLA | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-False Creek | NDP | Brenda Bailey | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-Fraserview | Green | Francoise Raunet | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-Fraserview | Liberal | David Grewal | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-Fraserview | NDP | George Chow MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-Hastings | Green | Bridget Burns | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-Hastings | Liberal | Alex Read | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-Hastings | NDP | Nikki Sharma | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-Kensington | Green | Nazanin Moghadami | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-Kensington | Liberal | Paul Lepage | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-Kensington | NDP | Mable Elmore, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-Kingsway | Green | Scott Bernstein | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-Kingsway | Liberal | Cole Anderson | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-Kingsway | NDP | Adrian Dix, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-Langara | Green | Stephanie Hendy | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-Langara | Liberal | Michael Lee MLA | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-Langara | NDP | Tesicca Truong | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-Mount Pleasant | Green | Kelly Tatham | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-Mount Pleasant | Liberal | George Vassilas | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-Mount Pleasant | NDP | Melanie Mark, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-Point Grey | Green | Devyani Singh | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-Point Grey | Liberal | Mark Bowen | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-Point Grey | NDP | David Eby, MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-Quilchena | Green | Michael Barkusky | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-Quilchena | Liberal | Andrew Wilkinson MLA | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-Quilchena | NDP | Heather McQuillan | NO - I DON'T |
| Vancouver-West End | Green | James Marshall | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vancouver-West End | Liberal | Jon Ellacott | YES - I DO |
| Vancouver-West End | NDP | Spencer Chandra Herbert MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| Vernon-Monashee | Green | Keli Westgate | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Vernon-Monashee | Liberal | Eric Foster MLA | YES - I DO |
| Vernon-Monashee | NDP | Harwinder Sandhu | NO - I DON'T |
| Victoria-Beacon Hill | Green | Jenn Neilsen | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Victoria-Beacon Hill | Liberal | Karen Bill | YES - I DO |
| Victoria-Beacon Hill | NDP | Grace A. Lore | NO - I DON'T |
| Victoria-Swan Lake | Green | Annemieke Holthuis | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| Victoria-Swan Lake | Liberal | David Somerville | YES - I DO |
| Victoria-Swan Lake | NDP | Rob Fleming MLA | NO - I DON'T |
| West Vancouver-Capilano | Green | Rasoul Narimani | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| West Vancouver-Capilano | Liberal | Karin Kirkpatrick | YES - I DO |
| West Vancouver-Capilano | NDP | Amelia Hill | NO - I DON'T |
| West Vancouver-Sea to Sky | Green | Jeremy Valeriote | CLICK TO WRITE CANDIDATE |
| West Vancouver-Sea to Sky | Liberal | Jordan Sturdy MLA | YES - I DO |
| West Vancouver-Sea to Sky | NDP | Keith Murdoch | NO - I DON'T |
UPDATE: We have written the candidates and have not got a response from the vast majority of them. For purposes of clarity we have attributed their parties’ formal position to each of the candidates. We realize this does not follow our original objective and would be happy to hear from the candidates directly. Please go here to write your candidate to encourage them to respond or contact them directly and let us know what they say.
